10Questions Update: Did Ruffini Snipe a Top Spot?
By Micah L. Sifry, 11/15/2007 - 3:09pm

The voting on the first round of 10Questions closed last night at midnight Eastern time, and what a run it's been! We topped out at 121,614 votes, of which approximately 23,000 came in during last 10 hours of the day. We also ended up with more than 31,000 individual participants, way exceeding our expectations.

A bunch of new video questions were submitted at the last minute, and one of them, on the size of government, was powered into the top ten by the concerted efforts of its maker, Patrick Ruffini, and his friends among conservatives online. And that development is worth discussing in some depth, as it has raised the hackles of some users, judging from some of the emails we've gotten today.

Not only did Ruffini (a former director of e-campaigns for the Republican National Committee and a prominent contributor to our techPresident group blog as well as his own site) put out a call on his blog, he also posted a call on talk radio host Hugh Hewitt's blog, where he has guest-blogging privileges, and on techRepublican. As he explains in a post he cheekily calls "Hacking 10Questions," he also emailed his contact list, alerted some Facebook contacts, and did some Facebook status and Twitter updates to spread the word. He reports that RedState, Instapundit and Race42008 all posted about his video in the last two hours. (And other sites definitely picked up his call, like Flopping Aces.)

Ruffini describes how he undertook to push his video in under the noses of what he perceives to be a predominantly liberal user base at 10Questions, by waiting until the last minute and then swooping in with a crowd of positive votes before anyone could notice and counter-mobilize against his question. I'm not going to focus on his political assumptions (suffice it to say that I think he's wrong, and the mix of leading questions on the site as well as the major feeders of traffic show a wide range of views, and certainly can't be pigeonholed as narrowly liberal or left wing; also, his question was hardly that ideological), and instead I want to get at whether the process around his question rising so quickly was fair or not.

A look at our site traffic from yesterday shows 13,367 unique visits from more than 700 sources. The top referrers, other than direct visitors (who numbered nearly 5,500) were Hugh Hewitt, Patrick Ruffini, Crooks and Liars, RonPaulForums, Townhall, organic Google search, the Marijuana Policy Project, Digg, the Politico, ConservativeGrapevine, the New York Times, Why Tuesday, and Fair Elections Now. The sites Ruffini mobilized generated about 2600 unique visits out of that total. Throw in another 1000 visitors from random sources like email or Facebook that he presumably generated. That's not even a third of all the visitors we had during the day.

In the end, Ruffini's question garnered 1789 net votes (1931 for and 142 against), and assuming we don't find irregularities in the voting, it made it into the top ten despite being on the site for less than half a day. That has got some people asking, was this fair? For example, a 10Questions user named Adrian Haynes wrote us this morning to complain. He's given me permission to quote his email in full:

Patrick Ruffini used unfair tactics to get a question that would be voted down if it was subjected to a substantial voting period.

His blog documents his intent to do so [....]

"About two weeks out, I spotted an opening. The thought of an eBay auction came to mind. If you're bidding in an auction that lasts a week, it makes no sense to play early in the process. Your early bid will just be fodder for someone to one-up you, and could trigger a bidding war that increases the eventual going price. The idea is to show as little interest as possible — until the final seconds of the auction when you swoop in with (hopefully) the final bid."

Please subject the question to a fair voting period, or remove it from the running.

Adrian Haynes

I wrote back on behalf of the 10Questions team:

We respectfully disagree with your reading of what took place here. Patrick Ruffini didn't do anything outside the rules of the 10Questions process (assuming our audit of the votes on his video doesn't uncover signs of ballot-stuffing). He didn't do anything anyone else couldn't have done. In that respect, what he did was not unfair, just smart.

Now it may be true that the video would have been voted down with more time, but that becomes a slippery slope. Unless we get everyone to vote on every video, the same argument you are making against his question could be made against others, i.e. that not enough people had a chance to look at it to ensure that its existence in the top ten reflected a wide community consensus. Developing that kind of intense community involvement doesn't happen quickly, though we do think it IS developing around 10Questions and it will be precisely these kinds of episodes that help everyone evolve an understanding of how to make the site work best for all of us.

One thing that this episode does suggest to us is that perhaps we should close the voting on Round Two at an earlier time of day, when more people are in a position to be watching the site for last minute developments (if that is actually something they care about).

Again, please recognize that this is an ongoing, organic process of development and that we will continue to listen to feedback and make changes accordingly.

I don't think that reply fully satisfied Haynes, and he may want to add more in the comments below. But what do you think? Do we need to change the 10Questions process in some way to deal with last-minute swings in voting? Or should we accept that this is a natural part of any voting system and that as long as everyone is above-board in how they earn votes, the process is basically fair?

Thanks for this post

In a continued spirit of transparency, let me suggest one method you could have used to "defeat" my methodology: close the question submission period before the end of the voting period. This probably would have given the votes on my question ample time to "correct" themselves.

As you say, though, this leads to a slippery slope whose effect over the long run is to chill participation. You need ever more complex methods to defeat ever more sophisticated attempts to vote up questions. And there is probably no way you could defeat a MoveOn or an American Family Association, with 3M+ email lists, if they decided to ask their members to vote up a question in unison -- no matter when they did it.

I will say I find the reaction to this pretty interesting. When MoveOn sent an email to a segment of its list promoting the net neutrality question (which remains the #1 question), there was hardly a peep of complaint from the user base and the tone of the explanation did nothing to raise questions about the fairness of the process:

What happened? Several different advocacy campaigns, each on behalf of a particular question, joined in the conversation. A new video asking about net neutrality was posted, and from what we understand, MoveOn.org sent out an email to about 60,000 of its member activists urging them to vote for it. Obviously, a lot of people did, as that video rose to the top (with more than 5,000 net positive votes as of now). MySpace/MTV will be playing it for Senator Obama to answer during today's webcast (1:30pm EST), which will also be aired on MTV tonight at 7pm.

But that's not where all the traffic came from or went. The current #2 question on the site, about medical marijuana, has benefited from the advocacy of the Marijuana Policy Project and its grassroots supporters. (See here for one example.) Same with the current #3 question, on warrantless wiretapping, which the folks at the Electronic Frontier Foundation have been telling their activists about.

It's great to see this kind of participation on the site, and we're hoping to see a lot more of it. Remember, if you think a question doesn't deserve to be in the top ten, you can vote it down. And if you think a question deserves more attention, you can use our email and embed tools to tell other people about it and/or post it on your own site. That's what blogger Jamie Bernstein is doing here, promoting a question about atheism and the Supreme Court. (emphasis added)

It's also interesting that questions fueled primarily by advocacy campaigns that were once #1, 2, and 3 ended up as #1, 4, and 5. That I can find, no one found these concerted campaigns troubling -- and the longer voting period (the solution your correspondent suggests) did nothing to dislodge these questions from the top 10.

It's certainly possible my question could have survived a longer period on the top 10. It had a bit of a libertarian streak that could have earned support from Ron Paul supporters. The very early voting for it (before I did anything to push it) was 2-to-1 in favor.

But for the purposes of this experiment -- undertaken to see how a minority group could effectively mobilize when outnumbered -- I wasn't going to leave anything to chance.

My Response to Micah

Micah Sifry,

Thanks for your prompt response. I understand your side of the argument, however I would encourage you to change policy. I disagree with the other lobby efforts being similar, as there was a clear operation to undermine the system (admitted to by Patrick himself). Also, Patrick's voting assault started 6 hours before the polls were closed. All the other videos had been on the front page for weeks, which gave an adequate time for anti-lobby attempts to be organized. In 6 hours of voting his question received nearly 200 negative votes - while the previous 10 spot question received only 700 after being on the front page for over a week (300 of which likely came from Patrick's crowd as when i checked on the 14th, it was only at 400 negative votes).

If this particular case is allowed, it will be attempted again in the future, and if nothing is changed, successfully. The quality of the questions will suffer greatly, and the questions asked will voted on solely lobby efforts, with the weight of the content of the question being tossed out. Its wishful thinking that in a country with such a lousy voter turn out, that a community can develop that will have the time to be watch dogs on 10questions (i personally think that the near 200 voted down on Patrick's question was admirable vigilance of the community, considering the response time available).

So here are some suggestions to protect the quality of questions in the future.

1) Show more videos on the front page - the top 20 - only having 2 questions not in the top 10 shown gives less exposer time to last minute lobbies.

2) Have a cut off - 2 days before voting ends, limit the voting to the top 20 videos - or subject videos that moved into the top 10 in the final few days to an extra week of voting.

3) LET THE PEOPLE VOTE ON THIS! If the people want stricter rules to protect against last minute lobbies, let them have it - if they don't - keep it as is.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good

Ruffini didn't break the rules, but he did artfully game the system. While his ebay parallel is apt, there was also another opportunity to game the system a bit on the front end.

TechPresident contributor Ruby Sinrich's question on transparency (a feel good question, that is not at all partisan) was the first question added to the site. Over the first couple of days, as the buzz around the effort built, her question was the only one posted with which few could disagree, automatically delivering her over 1,000 positive votes in the first week.

In fact there was a period when her video was the only one with positive votes, and any unvoted video uploaded to the system automatically had the number 2 spot. Eventually Ruby's questions was pushed down a few spots but she still made the top 10.

You cannot discount the advantage of having video's placed in order of the number votes they garnered (unequal footing in the marketplace), because many people won't move past the first page.

While market forces are an outstanding way to aggregate crowd opinions, you need to have the same types of protections built in that the actual stock market does.

The suggestion that submissions be cut off prior to ending the voting is a smart one, though I would say you need at least a week or two. A day is not enough.

Placement on the front page (above the scroll point), should be randomized by default with the option to view videos by date, topic, votes, etc.

There should be an “overlooked” section just like the one Colaruso implemented in the original communitycounts.us effort.

10Questions wasn’t perfect. But as far as opening up the presidential debates process to the public, 10Questions is in a league of its own.

And with a few tweaks, it could be even better the next time around

-Justin

Questions Lacking Organized Support

What feels fair to me is that questions that have been supported by support-this video campaigns should compete only against each other, and that questions that remaimed "independent" should likewise compete only against each other (5 or 10 winners in each category). Otherwise, it would seem futile to submit a question without the backing of some organization, website, etc.



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