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OBAMA STORIES

christine — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:52:02 -0400

Hello!

I just wanted to draw your attention to a website-- www.obamatracker.com
Obamatracker posts dozens of stories regarding Barack Obama daily, from all different news organizations. We currently have over 3,000 stories, and we're only adding more as they come! It's a great resource for finding out anything about Obama.

Thanks for posting this!

Freedomfighter — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:40:52 -0400

Contrary to what people think, the Obama campaign is censoring postings and unsubscribing from their email lists, the negative commentators.

Ralph Nader slams Obama flip-flop flapping

Freedomfighter — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:18:46 -0400

The FISA issue is crippling Obama and now it has reached the Nader campaign.

As soon as Democrats get close to power, they do away with civil liberties or other troublesome issues. It is their preferred tactic, just like the war. Activists say, "Bush lied! Thousands died!", ignoring the Democrats who voted for the war. Was this not the whole purpose of pushing for Obama? For change? To get away from such hypocrisy? So what does Obama do on:

Telecom immunity?

Gun control?

Death penalty?

Campaign finance?

Faith-based funding?

Hypocrisy.

So here is where people are going:
http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/07/07/what-to-do-now/

There is a way

crash83080 — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:19:19 -0400

There actually is a way to set up a whole new network quite easily. We in New Jersey have already done it, www.jerseyshore4obama.org, and it's very easy for anyone to set up and run. Check out Ning.com to see what I am talking about.

Obama has anti-FISA dissent trapped........

Freedomfighter — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:47:51 -0400

Patrick, you bring up some serious points, but Obama has trapped the dissent on his site. Unless they break off and unite with some other group, they are still coming back to Obama for their dissent. Jarvis is absolutely right and echoes what I have said: candidates are not an effective way to push an issue, unless the candidate is the leader of the issue.

Obama also has the ability to "kill" the dissent after the election by wiping the site clean. As President, by doing so, he would have shut down the dissent. This is the only real benefit for having the network open to dissent. You find out who are your loyal followers and who is not. So, keep your eyes open to see where the anti-FISA advocates go.

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."
Sun-tzu
Chinese general & military strategist (~400 BC)

Stunning

Freedomfighter — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:53:17 -0400

There are many limitations to the myBO groups. Even searching them is difficult. However, I think you have pranced over the blatantly obvious.........the fishbowl effect. The anti-FISA Obama people are like fish which can see the world but are panicking over discovering they are all wet and can go no where because they are in a bowl. What would be interesting if the anti-FISA people actually teamed up with a civil liberties group and put out a video attacking Obama's flip-flop. However, the civil liberties groups, like the one at the link below, are stuck in protesting Bush as if Bush was running for office as he did in 2004. Things will become very interesting if such groups of people start actually interacting and get off the myBO site. Will Facebook or some other social network make it possible? Stay tuned.

http://www.constitutioncampaign.org/toolkit/declaration.php

Poll Driven versus Social Network Driven

owen93 — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:48:39 -0400

"Who gets the candidates ear" indeed.
Do we really want a President who runs their administration and therefore the country by "sharing power" with those who have a broadband connection and know how to use it ?
Poll driven candidates who blow hot and cold on policies based upon public opinion as derived from professional polling are usually treated with disdain. Is there a substantive difference between the Poll Driven Pol and the NetRoots driven Pol?
As has been pointed out the membership/registration policies of MYBO and the tools available there are apparently flawed and sparse. The social network movement is still very much in free for all mode and frankly needs to have some common sense structure applied to it. We zone our physical space, we do not allow anyone to shout anything they want anywhere they want. We allow judicial and legislative bodies to regulate the physical parameters of protest. Online Social Networks have no physical parameters though, and so we have not yet developed the tactics and tools to simulate common sense regulation of dissent.

We also have not had time yet to see what "Fresh Hell" can be raised by the trolls and flacks who get paid to be blogosphere agent provocateurs, but rest assured they are on their way. Ask yourself If you have any doubt that a handfull of such professional trouble makers can easily derail conversation into cat and dog fights and lead otherwise rational people to utter ridiculous pronouncements which amount to extensions of the attacks by the initial Guerrilla Ontology Warriors. I predict that once this becomes overwhelmingly obvious any resistance you might have had to common sense regulation will turn to demands that something be done about the situation.

LUX ./. owen

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Who shall follow the Thread beyond the Labyrinth of Words?

Solution

crash83080 — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:08:31 -0400

The groups I belonged to on myBO got crazy with the listserv emails and it got quite annoying. So, I created a social network for our group to coordinate and organize on. It provides a hell of a lot more flexibilty than the myBO site and allows for interaction and collaboration among the members. Anyone can make one too. My groups website is www.jerseyshore4obama.org.

17,590 and Counting

Alan Rosenblatt — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:51:49 -0400

Well, it has been 8 hours since Micah's post and the FISA No Immunity group is closing in on 18,000.

Alan Rosenblatt
AKA DrDigiPol (drdigipol.com)

Opt out of email

cfinnie — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:18:08 -0400

I got the same flood of email when I first signed up. So I went back and found a box that allowed me to opt out of email--which I quickly did! You could also choose a digest delivery, the way I handle the email overwhelm from my political listservs.

Since Obama has said he wants to use the Internet to make government more transparent and interactive, maybe you should send him you post on what they're doing with government 2.0 in the U.K.

Worthy

TroyMorris — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:07:26 -0400

I think it's worth noting that the creator of the group on myBO (which the 13 year-old in me wants to giggle at) also created a wiki.

I think there's something about that technology that works for politics. After all, content does live forever on the internet. It's a big improvement over traditional social networks because they can and do die after people begin their inevitable exodus.

Disclaimer: I work in the wiki world.

Thanks Micah...

junothiall — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:31:27 -0400

I couldn't find it even with a search yesterday. I wait with baited breath to see if Sen. Obama does stand firm.

Not true about MoveOn backing down

Micah L. Sifry — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:07:26 -0400

See http://pol.moveon.org/immunity/080621obama.html. I must have put up a bad link in my original post. Looks to me like this campaign is still very much kicking.

MoveOn.org has deleted its page on taking Obama to task

junothiall — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:53:14 -0400

Interesting, eh?

WHAT HAVE THEY DONE?!

thegreathal — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:20:43 -0400

No, freedomfighter, you're teaching the Obamacans the wrong message here. I believe full well that if Obama didn't flee his original position on civil liberties, he would benefit in the polls, or at least not lose the election--though he will strand his supporters.

It's that Obama chose to lie about FISA anyway is the lesson on how politics works for Obamacans. While in many cases having an actual candidate that's directly inside government is infinitely useful to a group or movement, if you're going to blindly dedicate yourself to a candidate, make sure s/he halfway believes in your issue (or in Obama's case, any issue) before it's too late to withdraw your support. Their dedication becomes the selling out of their own beliefs, and while it's good that Obamacans are just now learning how to criticize, their end result will be electing a Bush Democrat with utter contempt for the Left to the White House.

Also, please fix the broken link and missing sentence in the second paragraph, please!